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		<title>By: MacThemes Forum / Official Mac Request Thread</title>
		<link>http://www.artofadambetts.com/weblog/?p=120&#038;cpage=1#comment-18143</link>
		<dc:creator>MacThemes Forum / Official Mac Request Thread</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 14:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] about this app is great, but wtf is it with the kungfu man flying over a red dot? &gt;_&lt;http://www.artofadambetts.com/weblog/?p=120#more-120  No replacement icons, but it explains the kungfu-guy     Offline [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: MacThemes Forum / Official Request Thread</title>
		<link>http://www.artofadambetts.com/weblog/?p=120&#038;cpage=1#comment-17881</link>
		<dc:creator>MacThemes Forum / Official Request Thread</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 06:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] about this app is great, but wtf is it with the kungfu man flying over a red dot? &gt;_&lt;http://www.artofadambetts.com/weblog/?p=120#more-120  No replacement icons, but it explains the kungfu-guy     Offline [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Guy in the Hat - Iconic Icons</title>
		<link>http://www.artofadambetts.com/weblog/?p=120&#038;cpage=1#comment-17169</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy in the Hat - Iconic Icons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] instead of a photorealistic metaphor for what an application does is often seen as overt branding. Adam Betts had the following to say about Yojimbo&#8217;s icon, which he was given and asked to [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Replacement Bbedit Icon - Dogpile Web Search</title>
		<link>http://www.artofadambetts.com/weblog/?p=120&#038;cpage=1#comment-16304</link>
		<dc:creator>Replacement Bbedit Icon - Dogpile Web Search</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] patterns, old and new!      Sponsored by: www.replacements.com//  [Found on Ads by Google]     2.  The Art of Adam Betts &#187; Yojimbo Icons    An appropriate example is the previous BBEdit icon, which looked just fine ... ran into this page [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: shiro</title>
		<link>http://www.artofadambetts.com/weblog/?p=120&#038;cpage=1#comment-15706</link>
		<dc:creator>shiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 17:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying &quot;why not&quot; in regards to using a ninja as opposed to a samurari (or ronin) shows a lack of understanding as to how yojimbo were actually employed and what they actually were. Ninjas were spies or assassins - in other words, secretive. Yojimbo were paid bodyguards and were therefore in the public view. So in essence, this would be akin to naming your application &quot;Sheriff&quot; and using a silhouette of a sniper for your icon. Just because there may have been a tiny overlap in potential duties (and I mean very tiny) doesn&#039;t excuse poor branding.

The fact that BB refused to even employ an image which is related to their title shows that they likely gave very little informed thought to the aesthetics as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying &#8220;why not&#8221; in regards to using a ninja as opposed to a samurari (or ronin) shows a lack of understanding as to how yojimbo were actually employed and what they actually were. Ninjas were spies or assassins &#8211; in other words, secretive. Yojimbo were paid bodyguards and were therefore in the public view. So in essence, this would be akin to naming your application &#8220;Sheriff&#8221; and using a silhouette of a sniper for your icon. Just because there may have been a tiny overlap in potential duties (and I mean very tiny) doesn&#8217;t excuse poor branding.</p>
<p>The fact that BB refused to even employ an image which is related to their title shows that they likely gave very little informed thought to the aesthetics as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I just stumbled across this post, so I&#039;m late to the game. The comment thread appears long since dead and I&#039;m writing this against my better judgment. But I can&#039;t resist. :)

I don&#039;t get the animosity towards the Bare Bones icons. Yeah, the wacky &quot;B&quot; on the old BBEdit icon was a mistake, but other than that, BBEdit&#039;s current icon suits the product well. It&#039;s distinctive and easily recognizable at all sizes, and, the right angles suggest the tools of a draftsman (perhaps a play on the old Bare Bones draftsman mascot?). Perhaps you wouldn&#039;t call it beautiful, but I think it&#039;s at least handsome.

As for the Yojimbo icon, Adam&#039;s rendition is quite nice. Judging by his other work, I&#039;m sure it would have looked great in its final form. But in this case, I think I&#039;d still have to vote with the current red moon version. Thanks to Adam&#039;s polish, I think it looks quite nice: it&#039;s simple, distinctive, easily recognizable (at least it is for me), and attractive (again, at least to me). Of course, critiquing icons is highly subjective.

With the greatest respect to Adam, I personally feel the angled book theme is tired (as is the angled stack of papers with a pen for document-based apps). Yeah, I know it has inherent meaning that tells the user what kind of app it represents. But if the app&#039;s brand identity is strong enough, those hints aren&#039;t necessary. Does anybody NOT know that BBEdit is a document-based app? The BBEdit brand is so strong in the Mac community that its icon has almost become synonymous with text editing.

The icons for BBEdit and Yojimbo are bold, unconventional, and, as others have already mentioned, irreverent. And I think it works for them.

Now, for Jason&#039;s comment on the &quot;Yojimbo&quot; name, Wikipedia reads: &quot;In Japanese, a yojimbo (ç”¨å¿ƒæ£’) is a bodyguard or security person.&quot; A yojimbo might be a rogue Samurai or they might be a trained assassin. So why not a Ninja or any other character with a mean flying kick? It all part of the app&#039;s brand and fits with it&#039;s motto: &quot;Master the Onslaught&quot;. A little bit dorky? Maybe. But it&#039;s also cute and memorable. And like the icon, I think it works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I just stumbled across this post, so I&#8217;m late to the game. The comment thread appears long since dead and I&#8217;m writing this against my better judgment. But I can&#8217;t resist. :)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get the animosity towards the Bare Bones icons. Yeah, the wacky &#8220;B&#8221; on the old BBEdit icon was a mistake, but other than that, BBEdit&#8217;s current icon suits the product well. It&#8217;s distinctive and easily recognizable at all sizes, and, the right angles suggest the tools of a draftsman (perhaps a play on the old Bare Bones draftsman mascot?). Perhaps you wouldn&#8217;t call it beautiful, but I think it&#8217;s at least handsome.</p>
<p>As for the Yojimbo icon, Adam&#8217;s rendition is quite nice. Judging by his other work, I&#8217;m sure it would have looked great in its final form. But in this case, I think I&#8217;d still have to vote with the current red moon version. Thanks to Adam&#8217;s polish, I think it looks quite nice: it&#8217;s simple, distinctive, easily recognizable (at least it is for me), and attractive (again, at least to me). Of course, critiquing icons is highly subjective.</p>
<p>With the greatest respect to Adam, I personally feel the angled book theme is tired (as is the angled stack of papers with a pen for document-based apps). Yeah, I know it has inherent meaning that tells the user what kind of app it represents. But if the app&#8217;s brand identity is strong enough, those hints aren&#8217;t necessary. Does anybody NOT know that BBEdit is a document-based app? The BBEdit brand is so strong in the Mac community that its icon has almost become synonymous with text editing.</p>
<p>The icons for BBEdit and Yojimbo are bold, unconventional, and, as others have already mentioned, irreverent. And I think it works for them.</p>
<p>Now, for Jason&#8217;s comment on the &#8220;Yojimbo&#8221; name, Wikipedia reads: &#8220;In Japanese, a yojimbo (ç”¨å¿ƒæ£’) is a bodyguard or security person.&#8221; A yojimbo might be a rogue Samurai or they might be a trained assassin. So why not a Ninja or any other character with a mean flying kick? It all part of the app&#8217;s brand and fits with it&#8217;s motto: &#8220;Master the Onslaught&#8221;. A little bit dorky? Maybe. But it&#8217;s also cute and memorable. And like the icon, I think it works.</p>
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		<title>By: MacThemes / Official Icon Request Thread</title>
		<link>http://www.artofadambetts.com/weblog/?p=120&#038;cpage=1#comment-12760</link>
		<dc:creator>MacThemes / Official Icon Request Thread</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] about this app is great, but wtf is it with the kungfu man flying over a red dot? &gt;_&lt;http://www.artofadambetts.com/weblog/?p=120#more-120  No replacement icons, but it explains the kungfu-guy ROFL!“The app itself looks great, but sports [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: MacThemes / [REQ] Yojimbo replacement icon</title>
		<link>http://www.artofadambetts.com/weblog/?p=120&#038;cpage=1#comment-9911</link>
		<dc:creator>MacThemes / [REQ] Yojimbo replacement icon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 16:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] icon he has only talked about the icons, and showed us what he had in mind about the icon.http://www.artofadambetts.com/weblog/?p=120#more-120    Offline [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: mookie</title>
		<link>http://www.artofadambetts.com/weblog/?p=120&#038;cpage=1#comment-5463</link>
		<dc:creator>mookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 01:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the barebones icon *sucks* badly.  i love your icon.  i ran into this page while looking for a replacement icon for yojimbo -- which, like all other bb apps:  great app, suck-ass icon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the barebones icon *sucks* badly.  i love your icon.  i ran into this page while looking for a replacement icon for yojimbo &#8212; which, like all other bb apps:  great app, suck-ass icon.</p>
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		<title>By: huxley</title>
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		<dc:creator>huxley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still wondering why they have a ninja instead of a samurai.</description>
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